OS Topic 6: Processing our "What's Possible?" answers

for "DandDTrans," a "community of inquiry and action" regarding the role that Dialogue & Deiberation can play in addressing the mega-crises of our time

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Processing our What's Possible? answers

Initiated by: Ben Roberts on 1/10

For discussion via this pad

Description: Let's think together about the thoughtful responses eleven people have posted on the +Whats Possible? pad--which is arguably the richest portion of these hackpad "conversations" to date.

Participants:

+Ben Roberts

Mark Spain

@Stephanie Jo Kent

@Chris Smerald

@Gerald Dillenbeck

Engaging in this Online Conversation (PLEASE READ!)

This prototyping experiment in asynchronous process is designed so you can "drop in" for as little as 15 minutes and contribute meaningfully, or go much deeper if you wish. I am also curious about our ability to use heart-based reflection as a core practice in this online realm. Here's my invitation to all participants:

Add your name to the list of participants above (and +add an +Intro+ here if you haven't already done so!)

(2 min) Read the context section below

(2-8 min) Browse the +Resources pads (which you are also invited to add to, by the way!), find something that opens your heart, and "sit" with it. Here are a few suggestions:

+Tree of Life (image)

+Out Beyond Ideas (poem)

+LET THIS DARKNESS BE A BELL TOWER (poem)

+From Fruitvale to Florida - Strange Fruit No More (video--3 min)

+The Thirteen Indigenous Grandmothers (video--4 min)

+Anthem (music--6 min)

(5-10 min) Browse, or read through, portions of the +What's Possible? pad that call to you.

(1-5 min) Sit in silent reflection.

(5-20 min) Post something using a blank template below (you can use the index in the right margin to jump down to the bottom of the pad).

Note: This cycle can also be used for posting comments on what others have written here. In this case, I suggest substituting half the time reading from the What's Possible pad in step 4 for reading through the posts below.

Context

The +What's Possible? pad was part of the original set of hackpads created in early December. It uses Peter Block's framing from Community: The Structure of Belonging, which presents six essential conversations for co-creating "transformational communty." eleven people posted detailed responses to two questions there:

Question 1: What is the crossroads where you find yourself at this stage of your work in service to systemic transformation?

Question 2: What declaration of possibility can you make that has the power to transform the community [gathered for this inquiry] and inspire you?

The answers given were very rich, and many of them were commented on by other participants as well. Here's a small set of excerpts (the names link you to the full post, or get you close--this feature in hackpad is a bit buggy!):

This communication process is alive! It is real now as you read just as much as it was/is as I type. Because our communication is real, we can connect. Because we can connect, we can fuse our energies into a larger collective force and contribute to humanity's great turning. +Stephanie Jo Kent

My crossroad is continuing to learn to live hospicing the death of the old economy and midwifing the birth of the new economy. This also invites me to learn to be deeply personal and spiritual as well as systemic, integrated and communal. I seek to be relaxed and present as well as urgent and passionate whilst having fun doing this work. +Mark Spain

For at least some of us in this inquiry, a key component that will make continuing it compelling is an external action component that we can begin fairly quickly. In my small group on the first call, such action was at first seen as being in contrast with conversation, but we quickly reframed action as a sort of "statement" one makes to the rest of the world. However the world responds, we do our best to "listen" to it, reflect, and iterate. Thus action, rather than being in contrast with conversation, becomes an integral part of the larger conversation between those taking action and the rest of the world. +John Abbe

[T]he big tension is the issue of activating a transformative vision. I have spent a long time more or less as an architect, a designer, working at the level of internet system design and development. But taking a very ambitious design and turning it into activism, where people get on board some common vision, in ways that lead to real social change -- this is much more challenging, and the internet alone is not enough. Writing theories and visions -- while important and probably essential -- alone, just doesn't get us there. Theory by itself is an unrealized potential. Somehow, we need to jump into the fire of real social change. +Bruce Schuman

Posts

@Gerald Dillenbeck 1/9/2015

Please follow the process suggested at the top of this pad, then answer this question in the space below: What strikes you about the conversation on the +"What's Possible?"  pad?

Redundant theme of inclusive and mutual mentorship toward multisystemic ecologically balanced economies of being, becoming, and belonging. Do Earth’s natural systems predict an emergent messianic reconnecting vocation between our natural environment and ourselves?

Permaculture Design has recently evolved from agrarian roots to notice, analyze, plan, and facilitate regenerating polycultural systems within our Interior Landscape as well as within Earth’s Exterior Landscape. Regenerative systems are living rather than static because they do not simply reiterate a prior systemic state, or Self-identity; they are more than simply self-perpetuating and self-defining systems. Regeneration, living systemic evolution, accumulates information extending from prior enculturing generations into the present. Biometrically speaking, this cumulative “permanent” information follows natural instructional messages from the continually reconciling, absorbent, salving, confluent logic of DNA/RNA development structure, and octave frequencies.

In Synergetics 2 (1979), #987.075, p. 322, Buckminster Fuller speculates that Universal Intelligence is DNA/RNA programming, the “cosmic-coordinate system to be embraced and accommodated by the epistemography of synergetics.” Fuller explains synergy as both love and ergodic, incarnating, formative incubation peculiar to living, regenerative systems. Optimal synergy and love are liminally outlined by dissonant, unsustainable trends, in both our External-organic and Internal-ecological Landscapes.

Messianic themes are culturally ubiquitous. “The state of the world is seen as hopelessly flawed beyond normal human powers of correction, and divine intervention through a specially selected and supported human is seen as necessary.” (www.wikipedia.org, Messianism) The cultural roots of messianism trace back to shamanic functions. Messianic intent bridges Earth’s degenerative dissonant suffering and loss with our future’s regenerative teleological purpose. Messianic fertility improves with multisystemic composting orthopraxis by permacultural prophets, designers, and synergetic system developers who not only practice and teach, but comprehend vocation as mutual mentorship--walking the walk together, while talking.

We need only change the messianic power source from divine intervention to integral multisystemic interventions growing out of Basic Attendance, or positively deviant noticing. Positive deviant mindfulness explores appositional relationships between ecological and economic values and disvalues within a stressed, sub-optimizing, environment or population.

Our shared messianic goal, as a species of permacultural mentors, is to optimize harmonious regenerative values, by actively encouraging our demons to diet; reducing dissonant disvalues and unraveling chaos, with over-stimulated trends toward monopolistic and over-crowded silos of marginalization and discontent; the weed-patch. Regenerative polycultures, Edenic homes and gardens, optimize with inclusively balanced values, functions, grace, incarnation, reconciliation. Intervention design analysis looks for tipping points and redundantly harmonious efficiencies in flow, function, form and pattern sequence.

Regenerative orthopraxis embraces a mutual-mentor “calling,” a creative exterior and interior mindfully developing adventure in compassion. Deep permacultural ecologists follow a wu wei ego-discipline toward a (0)-sum inclusive economy, a Win-Win strategic ecological vocation shared by all living cells.

For most of us this is about learning how to live a more cooperative and ecological life hoping to serve the well-being of our grandchildren’s grandchildren, as served by our grandparent’s grandparents, elder species and genetic cousins, stardust, back toward our Original Meaning as future’s polyculturally blooming Omega Point.

We evolve as messianic global interns born of, by, and for Earth’s teleological incubation.

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Ben R., 1/10. Wow, Gerald. That's mostly over my head, but it sounds groovy! "We need only change the messianic power source from divine intervention to integral multisystemic interventions growing out of Basic Attendance, or positively deviant noticing." I think I can grok that. I'm curious if you can imagine a prototyping we might do within the DandDTrans container, or might propose here for a group to pursue "out in the world?"

For me, this is a call to manifest, to carnate, to form, to inform by doing, by belonging with each other. The ReGenesis Project emerges through ecological solidarity of mutually supplemental subsidiarity. I cannot be involved in facilitating this process from outside. I am investing all my time, my thoughts, my words, my knowledge, faith, assets, resources, relationships with others willing to do the same, or at least explore what might be possible if we were to strategically cooperate within our economic life as well as we strategically compete to economically survive.

I'm curious--did you follow the process I suggested? If so, what did you think? If not, why not?

Yes, more or less, I think. I am drawn to poetry and song as a creator, but I think only because I am such a lavishly absorbent listener within those frequencies.

Steph Jo, 1/11

First, thanks Ben R for creating this experimental OS Topic; your facilitation is superb.

Second, your question to Gerald reminds me of the Learning Lab for Resiliency, which I conceived some six years ago to do "integral multisystemic interventions" - only I didn't have that label! The "Brain Trust" began with colleagues of mine in graduate school at UMass Amherst from multiple, diverse disciplines and cultural/ethnic/national backgrounds. It has extended and grows as I meet people who grok the concept and/or support the vision.

Our original (and persisting) inspiration was our closest urban city, Springfield MA, which has one of the highest poverty rates in the country. We produced a 7-minute video of one of our earliest dialogues about vision and mission; it captures the essence of "interlocking circles" (another great image, thank you!) working at different levels of stratification and from diverse angles to excavate problems and construct tangible solutions from within.

We needed funding to build the asynchronous technology and didn't turn it up. I could not distill the concept of "critical pedagogy" using "meta-text" drawn from the local into an elevator pitch, but I did get connected with area entrepreneurs who were curious if not (at least at that time) willing to invest. More-or-less concurrently, I created a similar video from a weekend with Springfield youth that we hosted at UMass for a leadership retreat.

The structure was envisioned as tiered...youth input, several parallel courses with various content, interaction among faculty with a meta- focus that would be opened to participants at a strategic time (much like the facilitation team allowed us access to their Practice Dialogue), with a final component moving from content learning to identification of intersections and junctures of overlap and actual problem-solving.

@Gerald Dillenbeck 1/10/14

Stephanie, we should talk. I can be reached through gdill52@sbcglobal.net. and 860-543-2958, cell. Wondering if you are familiar with Work That Reconnects, Joanna Macy. Strong presence in Springfield, and I hope to be involved in growing a stronger presence in Hartford, cooperatively with Springfield, Manchester, CT and Greenfield, MA. There is some momentum to fold this work into Gaia University and some national/international coordination through Naropa U, in Boulder. Gaia U, in case you don't already know, is kind of a loose consortium of permaculturalists, intentional community founders and elders, and interreligious facilitators of wisdom, I guess, or at least that is the intent.

@Stephanie Jo Kent 1/12/15

Sounds terrific, @Gerald Dillenbeck! I definitely want to talk more about all of the above. Speaking of folding (reminding me fondly of tesseracts!), another version of a "Learning Lab for Resiliency" might be a 22nd Century Village... built to meet more needs than just food, so as to increase the practical value of social change for more, different kinds of constituencies than those who already 'think like us.'

Ben R., 1/18 Curious if you two had your convo yet, and if so, how it went!\

Steph Jo 1/19 - not yet but we've made external contact :-) oooh!

Mark Spain 11 Jan

Please follow the process suggested at the top of this pad, then answer this question in the space below: What strikes you about the conversation on the +"What's Possible?"  pad?

The Zoom platform, hackpad and dialogue process was a very stable way to deeply connect 12 people across the planet in a rich dialogue with heart. This is transformational.

I need to reflect more and have more dialogues with you to +explore how to scale this possibility. I see a possibility to prototype these tools and processes on a larger scale with other projects to institutionalise news ways for humans to experience dialogue and collective intelligence. This can happen by being simultaneous members of several overlapping circles of people in action and/or conversation locally, nationally and internationally.

A big picture possibility is the rise of an open and transparent society with the tools and infrastructure to support it eg Peer-to-peer networks and Open Infrastructures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7XkMYPzsYk

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Ben R., 1/11

Thank you, Mark. The transformational possibilities of tech like Zoom seem to be inspiring many of us. I have a vision for software to manage asynch conversations that might be equally revolutionary. Hackpad is a kludge. Forums and comment threads are extremely limited. There are many other tools, but at the basic level of conversation, I think they devolve to the same limited approaches. Much more is possible. And I guess it better be open source!

Ben, I used Blackboard to get more features, but talk about kludge! What we need is a combination. Hackpad automates a bunch of stuff that Blackboard hasn't even dreamed of. {Steph, 1/11}

Ben, 1/11. ~8 hours after I posted the initial comment that begins above, to which Steph was responding, I checked back in and saw that Steph was writing her comments, and initiated a live chat with her. An example of what this tech affords that many other tools do not, since I could see her typing and jumped in right below...

Hi Steph!!!

Hello Ben :-)

goin' synchro! :-0

Actually I have to boogie out of here....but I'll give you a few -

No worries... I was thinking about something related to you--an invitation. But now I'm not sure what it was!

Well, if you invite me to do something I'll probably say yes ;-)

... +See the full chat here

Ben R's 1/11 comment on Mark's post, continued from above (before the chat and Steph's comment)...

I know Tom Atlee has spent some time digging into Bauwens' work too. I get a million FB notifications from him (Bauwens, not Atlee!) a day, it seems. And mostly don't read them. I do get the P2P concept at a basic level, and I know many people are inspired by what Bauwens is saying and doing. I'm certainly a big fan of "the ability to fork!" And I know those "metacurrency project" folks he mentions. Brilliant people. By the way, if you click on the "share" button for any YouTube video and copy the short url that generates, you can paste that into a hackpad to embed the video, as I did above for the Bauwens piece.

I'm curious, Mark--did you follow the process I suggested? If so, what did you think? If not, why not?

Steph Jo 1/19 Hi @Mark Spain, thanks for sharing the Bauwens' video. Dense but a very useful overview.

@Bruce Schuman - here's where I talked about the intersections of overlapping circles we already belong to and that (thus) constitute the spheres of influence we could occupy...

One thing that struck me is his sheer belief that open society P2P is happening at a scale significant enough (in terms of size and rate of increase) to matter. I don't think we really see the evidence of it, yet, especially with such a concentration of wealth and power (esp in terms of information, i.e., data from the internet) . . . . but I do think that strategically this is the "timespace" we need to orient ourselves toward. I love how simply you said we can contribute to the scaling of participatory open society "by being simultaneous members of several overlapping circles of people in action and/or conversation locally, nationally and internationally."

I agree with this, and further, I'd suggest that we already are, simultaneously, "members" of many overlapping circles, but we are not accustomed to giving deep attention to the intersections... perhaps this has been trained out of us by the general incoherence of society, which is Bohm's (1996) critique of communication that does not lead to shared meaning.

Tom Christensen, 1.12.15

Please follow the process suggested at the top of this pad, then answer this question in the space below: What strikes you about the conversation on the +"What's Possible?"  pad?

I hope this is what is being asked for....still finding my way around this Hackpad thing. The above comments strike me as expressions of highly complex cognition (of the gut/heart/brain), and I mean this technically, as what occurs at the highest level of vMeme intelligence expression that we know about. Here are some measures I have distinguished about the kind of thinking that seems to be present here: http://www.integralworld.net/christensen1.html This is very promising, as my orientation, SDi, says that we WILL create problems at our leading level of cognitive complexity that we can NOT solve. This dissonance or dialectic may bring forward the next higher level of cog complexity that DOES have the capacities needed to solve those recently created problems. That means that those of us who are at home with the complex verbiage above, and who can hold the cog space which all this verbiage makes sense in, are Messiahs for our time. Pretty big mantel to wear, but its here and all seem to have put it on already. Besides, if its not us, who? Now it remains to see what the collective intelligence that forms in/through/of us has to offer to guide us in our actions.

What do I see as possible? That I can't see what the collective intelligence will reveal, but bringing our individuality into a simultaneously collective being, may. This narrative space can inform, further and engender this collective intelligence (and probably embodies it, but that is not as clear to me). That this intelligence is reached/found/created in the unfettered presencing of highly complex cognition, which is probably what is occurring in the most profound of Dialogue experiences. That something better than any of us yet imagine will come out of this.

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"I cannot be involved in facilitating this process from outside. I am investing all my time, my thoughts, my words, my knowledge, faith, assets, resources, relationships with others willing to do the same, or at least explore what might be possible if we were to strategically cooperate within our economic life as well as we strategically compete to economically survive." (Gerald D, above)

I am just coming back into this conversation. What you say above, as part of an earlier post, struck me as so powerful. It is the ultimate sacrifice of one's being for addressing a crisis that grows and grows out of reach as something solvable. I am hopeful that something of a breakthrough nature will come out of this amazing virtual time together. I'm so grateful the whole thing magically came together. We are "strategically cooperating" as you stated it well. Perhaps not fast enough for people like me, who want it instantly, but actually, I'm amazed that we have come as far in the conversation as we have. This technology is awkward when you are new to it. We have to get over that hump. I still can't figure out who is saying what to whom. But, it is one big, forever branching conversation. So rich, where ever I hook in.

IF there are souls out there who can make a whole out of all of these parts, let them come forward!! You need your own "hackpad". Who, by the way, came up with the name of "hackpad". Has a terrible connotation...we are 'hacking' something? Someone said this earlier to me and I resonated.

Ben R., 1/18 I know, Linda, that it can be a bit dizzying here on hackpad (which was created by/for "hackers," i.e. people who "who combine excellence, playfulness, cleverness and exploration in performed activities," hence the name). One place we are discussing your request above is via this OS topic initiated by Nancy: +OS Topic 7 Processing January Hackpads for Sharing and Discerning Next Steps.

How about initiating your own thread, using a blank template from below, to respond to our question of what strikes you about the original +"What's Possible?"  pad?

@Linda Ellinor and @Tom Christensen, hello :-) I want to address you both, together, because what Tom's talking about, e.g., creating problems at a level of complexity that we can't solve is itself a prod to our own self-evolution, is a way to frame Linda's invitation to "make a whole out of all of these parts." It seems what we might be getting close to is a re-visioning or re-imagining of "the problem."

So far, I'd offer that, for all the incredible brilliance, breadth and depth of knowledge evidenced by members of this group (I am amazed and honored to participate with this special self-selected group), the problem is being framed in a rather one-dimensional way. Or, maybe it would be more accurate to say that only one aspect of a solution is being represented, leaving aside the other aspects that need equal or perhaps more 'weight' in the formulation of solutions?

Also, Linda, to see who has typed what, click inside the outline of the "pad" (anywhere in the white space) and the author's name should appear in the left-hand side, outside the margin.

gerald D, 1/19

I would like to transduce all the information in my hackpad to morph into a flowstream.

@Gerald Dillenbeck, it's a good question, what will happen to everything here? How will it be preserved, analyzed, used in the future? @Ben Roberts, do you have an answer? (Steph 1/19)

This will stay available. And the hosting team is very interested in how we can collectively make meaning out of what is here. It is an open question whether this will stay as a live space (especially if that requires some moderation), or as something that is archived as a record of what took place. Further thoughts on this subject might fit better under +OS Topic 7 Processing January Hackpads for Sharing and Discerning Next Steps.

{Ben R, 1/19]

Building, designing, organizing cooperative vocations, residences, and lives is a positive economic and ecological intent that is held universally, across all cultures and languages and paradigms, except for an unusually well-organized sociopathic ego. My own journey resonates with the aspirations of a 22nd Century Village culture that I see permeating a declining competitive, win-lose strategic assumption about how to optimize natural systemic development for sustaining diversity and abundance of what Robert Pirsig might think of as "quality" life.

Deep Ecological cooperative economies and vocations and mission statements cannot be implemented through merely teaching and positive intention; they are incarnated through a radical solidarity of mutually subsidiary mentoring of gratitude for all four seasons, ego-purgative winter and eco-maturation of summer, synaptic fire as well as confluently aptic-flowing water.

Earth began her orbit regenerating life through a passive solar pay-it-forward economy. I began my orbit with dual-balanced DNA/RNA regenerate cells growing within a passive solar-drenched womb of richly nutrient compost, heated by the sun, breathed through air derived from light. This is our shared eco-identity with every living cell, and it is a richly potentiating gift that only survives my ego's death to the extent that my ego-identity remains true to our eco-individuating cooperative economy.

Chris Smerald 1/18

Please follow the process suggested at the top of this pad, then answer this question in the space below: What strikes you about the conversation on the +"What's Possible?"  pad?

What strikes me is the tension between the path we are on and the possibilities it opens up. Feelings of crisis building up increases our energy level and creative push. The way forward is clear: more connectedness, but we do not know how to effect this, except to help it emerge -somehow. There is mention of internal transformation and tools to help facilitate this and some sense of rolling out platforms which will help.

Searching the word "help" finds a diverse use (an aside: word clouds might help see various other themes), but not in the sense of our being helped in more personal ways, such as individual resilience and mentoring. We want to help change, to help others, in large ways, but maybe we givers also need help in small ways we have not opened our hearts up to?

With respect to possibilities, most see possibilities of communities building, and compatible people and ideas coming together. This too is somewhat macro (though I also support it). What if we need internal change and transformation to find the way better for this to succeed. Do we listen as we might to those we want to help or somehow turn them away? and what are the possibilities we are not listening for? It is not just about what we know, but listening for what we do not. Getting the right questions for this feels a priority.

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Ben R. 1/18 "The way forward is clear: more connectedness, but we do not know how to effect this, except to help it emerge -somehow." Hmmm. Is the problem that we don't know how to effect this, or that we don't value it nearly as much as action and impact? And our inability to identify high-impact work that can be done by the average person, or a smallish group of people, leads to resignation and cynicism, which kill relatedness. As usual, +I've got a handy Block quote all about this one too (under "Action")!

chris 1/19. yes, I like your "action" block quote comments and running on to "questions" 123. Accountability is massive and also part of the greater transformation. Perhaps all of our accountabilities will be renegotiated and reduce the self-rationalisation which is a pillar of innocent (and not so innocent) fraud. As for not knowing how to effect this, yes a focus on action and impact can choke what needs to emerge. However, emergence can benefit from some engineering to help give structure and nutrients to what is hoped will grow. We know everything now, but piece wise and not in a connected way. Look how you have already explored many of my heart exercise thoughts. Social complexity theory (Lissack, Snowden, etc.) gives us many tools to move forward with approaching the complexity inherent in helping create the new new and the strength of dialog methods is ever deepening. The engineering of complex solutions is necessarily an emergent process full of contradiction and friction. We are not yet used to that process which is a mixture of push and pull, top down and bottom up, structure and freedom, goals and avoidances, affordances ances and homologise,but some day soon we will be.

{Steph Jo, 1/19} I like the Block action quotes, and, as @Chris Smerald said, the next section on Questions being more Transforming than answers. As I was commenting above (to Tom and Linda), I'd like to see more work around framing the question(s). Donald Schon (1979/1993) wrote about generative metaphors and the challenge of problem-setting being determinative of problem-solving for social policy. For instance, how can Chris's questions inform us about the right/best/most productive kind(s) of framings?

Do we givers also need help in small ways we have not opened our hearts up to?

Do we need internal change and transformation to find the way better for this to succeed?

What are the possibilities we are not listening for?

FYI, I haven't checked out the supra-ordinate goals topic yet; partly because I'm biased (!) against the efficacy of any supra-ordinate goal. So many problems with who decides, power implications etc, and the sense of creating a kind of religion...I'll get over myself and check it out, even contribute...

Done! The +expansion of my concern is posted as a comment to @Ben Levi and the Room 13 participants from the Jan 6 call (which is when the Super-Ordinate Goal came up as an Open Space Topic, right?)

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